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 | Joe A. Bell
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2000-09-03 19429
I just read the messages posted earlier in August about a safety kit for JD loaders (the loaders fall off?) I received a JD 4100 with loader early in August. While I have used the loader some with no problems (pulled fence posts, hauled some gravel), am I using a potentially dangerous machine? How would one know if his loader needs this safety kit?
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| Larry in MI.
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2000-09-04 19468
Hi Joe, the manual that came with the loader safety latch for my JD 410 loader says it is for the 410 loader on the 4100. I have seen at least one other post where a dealer told the customer that his 410 loader did not need the safety latch because it only applied to certain serial numbers. I don't know if that is true and I suggest you check with your dealer to be certain. Even though I received the safety latch I have never had a problem with the 410 loader and I have used it for some very heavy lifting. ....
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| Walter Kozachek
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2000-09-18 19878
I have been using (own)a JD 4100 with a loader for almost a year now. I also received a "Loader Safty Kit." Haven't had a chance to install. Yesterday, in the process of pushing some brush with the loader - THE LOADER CAME OFF. It was scary to say the least.
I'm disappointed that:
A: JD would design equipment like this.
B: JD set a kit that the owner must install.
If your a JD 4100 owner have install the kit or make the dealer do it.
WK
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| Tannenwald
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2000-09-18 19882
I am with you on this one...JD has no business sending us a safety product in the mail, which we are supposed to do a self-install on! The instructions were, for all practical purposes, non-existent. And did anyone else have extra parts in the box, that don't seem to have anything to do with the tractor or loader? Like an extra plate? ....
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| kay
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2000-09-18 19883
Sure am sorry that you didn't want JD to send you a safety latch for your loader. I appreciated getting mine, and didn't have any trouble figuring out how it attached, or why there were extra pieces (to fit older loaders), or what the dangers were to me if that 430 loader suddenly came unlatched.
I think the loader is a great thing to have, and very quick to put on and take off. True, a little extra time now to open the extra safety latch and to close it again, but the thought that those loader arms could be in my lap as I was tooling down the road at max speed with or without a load, is a very sobering thought.
Contrary to a few whiners on this Board, I find my JD 4300 a superb outfit, and have no problems with my tractor, my dealer (whom I hope I can keep in business so he is there in the future), or my original axle. ....
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| Tannenwald
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2000-09-18 19887
Kay, if you are completely satisfied with your tractor and your dealer, wonderful for you. You are a lucky one.
I am assuming that I fit into your category of "whiners."
As a neophyte farmer, who was sold a tractor on the dealer's representation that this was a machine I would be capable of maintaining myself, I am less than thrilled with both the quirks in the machine and the dealer. Very eager to sell he was, but also very eager to bill, for things which should ostensibly be covered under warranty work and for options which were paid for in the original purchase, delivered late, and then billed for again!
As an attorney, I am disgusted by the amount of "f&*%-clausing" in the tractor manual. This is the sort of foot-work which gives attorneys a bad name. An example: Do you realize that, per the manual, you are not considered within JD's specs to use the loader at its rated capacity UNLESS you have the tires loaded, a weight box on the back, and some other mystery amount of ballast back there (attached how, who knows) to weight the tractor per specs? Read it--I went around and around with the dealer when we ordered the tractor in the first place, and consider it ironic that JD, in making those recommendations, while its dealers sell tractors equipped for loader work which cannot reasonably be ballasted appropriately, JD is setting its own dealers up to take a hit when the inevitable lawsuit occurs!
The provision of a safety apparatus, which contrary to your experience, is not so simple for EVERYONE to install, and which is to further shield JD's butt in the event of an injury resulting from the loader detaching itself from the tractor, is totally unreasonable even from Deere's perspective. That is not, IMHO, the exercise of reasonable care in protecting the consumer from a known defect of which JD is aware. Hopefully no one ever suffers the sort of injury which will drive JD and a formerly loyal customer into litigation.
So I agree--nice they designed this wonderful safety kit, but even nicer if they took reasonable steps in protecting the end user and arranged for proper installation of the kit. Better yet, they could have taken the extra time in development and designed a loader that did not need to be retrofitted. ....
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| DFB
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2000-09-18 19891
Tannenwald I agree. NEVER GOT A "SAFTEY NOTICE" FROM CHRYSLER OR H-D WHERE THEY INFORMED ME OF A PROBLEM THEN SENT THE PARTS AND TOLD ME TO PUT THEM ON. They all say RECALL! Well I experienced a real bad cracking sound while using my 410 Loader to it's full potential on Friday of last week. I then crawled under the tractor and I inspected the loader mounts and found 3 loose bolts. At the same time I developed an oil leak between the clutch mounting and engine block. I tightened the bolts the bolts to the manuals recommended torque. The loader still makes the cracking sounds under load. The more I use it the more the oil leaks. Saturday the package arrived from Deere with the safety latch for the loader. Today the service rep came on a field call and the first question asked was if I had received the safetly latch package from Deere. He seemed extremely concerned. I ordered the tractor in June it was delivered July 27 and the letter on the safety latch is dated May 30th. So why didn't Deere have their dealers install it before delivery. Well tomorrow the 4100 makes a trailer trip back to the dealer to be fully diagnosed. The techs concern was if I would have it back in time for snow removal duty. I asked if what I was doing was too much for its intented use and the rep said "You probably used it harder than most but thats what they're made for". ....
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| turfman
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2000-09-18 19896
This is amazing, here they sent a very simple pin on device. This mod was all of 2 pins and thats it. IMHO, I would rather put the damn thing on now as soon as i got it rather than wait for the dealer to schedule me in, take the machine there, go back and get it. From the time I opened the box, to the time it took to read the directions, to on the machine was a total of 3 mins. 3 minutes verses 3 hrs to take to the dealer. I won by putting it on myself. was easier than hooking up a 3pt attachment. ....
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| Tannenwald
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2000-09-18 19902
At the risk of beating this topic to death and into the afterlife, you got instructions? There are some people, rare though they may be (I, unfortunately, am one of them), who transcend the phrase "mechanically inept." I physically had to take my manual out with me the first three times I greased the tractor and loader, just so I could find all of the zerks. (BTW, I have determined the manual shows zerks where there are none, and I have now found some they do not picture!). Whether you feel comfortable or not installing a piece of safety equipment designed to prevent the loader from falling on you or someone else, the development of which was no doubt spurred by that misfortune actually occurring to someone else, is a separate issue. The point is, JD has some responsibility to ensure the safety, within reason, of their customers. As the above poster said, your automaker does not send you a box of parts when they have a safety recall; they tell you to bring the vehicle in. The choice, of installing the thing yourself (if you are comfortable doing so and want to avoid the inconvenience of having it serviced), ignoring the recall, or having the manufacturer take care of the installation, should be your own to make. In this case, a dealer could have put the kits in a truck and sent one service guy around to their clients to whom the recall applied, and installed this piece of equipment which was important enough to develop. This is another case of Deere making a half-baked attempt at avoiding potential liability for injury which they are aware may occur due to a design flaw in their product. Notwithstanding that, I like the tractor very much and consider it a critically necessary part of operating my farm. It is just that, with the problems it has had, the lax attitude of the dealership to resolve them, and my own self-confessed mechanical ineptitude (which I strive to improve as a practical matter), I am afraid to drive the thing! I find myself jumping at every little bump or noise it makes and that is nonproductive. If my wheel had not fallen off, if the dealer had been more accommodating, and if I had not discovered another 6 people to whom that has happened, I would still be operating in that blissful state of false security! ....
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| Mike S.
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2000-09-18 19903
I wonder how it will be determined if my 430 loader needs a safety kit? As for Kay's negative comment about us whiners--I wonder how patient and quiet Kay would be if Kay had saved hard-earned money to purchase an automobile that had a flaky transmission, brakes that locked up, a lousy front end and a bad differential, along with a few other issues and had to put up with 19 months of exasperation and frustration due to the manufacturer failing to properly engineer the product, failing to properly field test the product AND exercising poor quality control? Maybe Kay would send the manufacturer roses, but this person goes to his attorney in a couple of weeks to explore potential litigation against JD because it is time for the whining to cease from me (to Kay's relief)! Mike S. ....
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